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The foolish shall not stand in thy sight:
thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
–Psalm 5:5 (KJV)–

The Lord trieth the righteous:
but the wicked and him that
loveth violence his soul hateth.
–Psalm 11:5 (KJV)–

Jacob have I loved,
but Esau have I hated.
–Romans 9:13 (KJV)–

Like a bear robbed of her cubs,
I will attack them and rip them open.
Like a lion I will devour them;
a wild animal will tear them apart.
–Hosea 13:8 (NIV)–

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There is no reason, worthy the most wise and gracious God, why he should make known to the world such a thing concerning Esau, who was yet unborn, that he had reprobated him from all eternity. Such a revelation could be of no spiritual advantage or edification to mankind, but rather of a malignant influence, as directly occasioning men to judge hardly of their Maker, and to conceive of him as no faithful Creator; as having no care, no love, no bowels of compassion towards the workmanship of his own hands.
–Adam Clarke–

JESUS DOESN’T



LOVE YOU



NO MATTER



WHAT.

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John Wesley, Calvinism Calmly Considered (Schmul, 2001).

Adam Clarke, Clarke’s Commentary, 1832. “Romans 9:12.”

John Goodwin, An Exposition of the Ninth Chapter of the Epistle to the Romans (Baynes and Son, 1835). In the 1640s, this preacher brought a revival of Arminian theology into the Church of England and the Independent churches (non-denominational Puritans around England); and caused many English Protestants to turn away from the Presbyterian and Baptist churches, which taught that God favoritistically elects and chooses people for salvation based on his personal like or dislike of them, without any point of reference to their character or behavior. Also, that God made all of these salvation choices about human beings before he created the world in Genesis 1. Goodwin rebuked all of that teaching; and so he was the forerunner of John Wesley and the Methodists who came a hundred years later; and revived his doctrines again.

²³ In Hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. ²⁴ And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame!
–JESUS CHRIST IN LUKE 16:23-24 (KJV)–

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¹⁰ The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb: ¹¹ And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night.
–REVELATION 14:10-11 (KJV)–

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¹⁰ The devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. ¹¹ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. ¹² And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. ¹³ And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and Hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. ¹⁴ And death and Hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. ¹⁵ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
–REVELATION 20:10-15 (KJV)–

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To set the record straight about Dr. John Piper’s view on Hell. This video was in 2017. Here he teaches a literal hell fire; and speaks against people like Dr. Schreiner who would essentially say that Biblical hell fire isn’t real; and that its “only just a symbol” and not a literal picture of Hell. Piper completely and flatly denies any such notion here: and so he stands with the Bible, Dr. John Gerstner, and Jonathan Edwards on Hell. What he’s saying here is essentially what Dr. Weir says in the horror movie Event Horizon: “HELL IS ONLY A WORD. THE REALITY IS MUCH, MUCH WORSE.” Unlike Schreiner and R. C. Sproul, who could read about hell fire; and walk away denying it completely. Piper instead reads of hell fire and says, “This is a vision from God; and it points us to something much, much worse than simply reading a Bible verse about people burning alive in fire forever. What it points to, is the fact that outside of the Gospel, YOU YOURSELF WILL EXPERIENCE THE PAIN AND THE HOPELESSNESS, OF PERSONAL CONSCIOUS SUFFERING OF BURNING ALIVE IN FIRE, FOREVER AND EVER, WITHOUT ANY HOPE OF ESCAPING FROM IT!! ALSO, YOU WON’T READ ABOUT HELL FIRE BIBLE VERSES ANYMORE, AFTER YOU GET TO HELL. IN FACT, YOUR OWN BODY AND SOUL, AND MIND AND FEELINGS, WILL BE ABSOLUTELY, COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY IMMERSED IN ACTUAL FIRE, AND YOU’LL EXPERIENCE THE MIND-BLOWING PAIN AND HOPELESS DESPAIR, OF THIS FIRE EVERY DAY, IN TIDAL WAVES OF DIVINE WRATH IN THE FORM OF FIRE, FOR CENTURIES AND CENTURIES WITHOUT ENDING.” That’s essentially what Piper is saying. He believes in a literal hell fire–a real literal lake of fire. What he’s saying is that it’s one thing to read some unreal looking Bible verses about hell fire, and to go your way and stay mentally detached from it, after you put your Bible back on the table when your devotion is all done. Its quite another thing to actually be thrown into a very real lake of fire yourself, to look up and see angels and the Lord Jesus watching you, and all the others, and to hear thousands of people screaming at the top of their lungs all around you, at volumes that no mortal man can scream; and to never be able to get away from any of it!!

Whosoever shall say, Thou fool,
shall be in danger of hell fire.
–Matthew 5:22 (KJV)–

The cowards, unbelievers…
their share will be in the lake
that burns with fire and sulfur.
–Revelation 21:8 (HCSB)–

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Your greed’s for money
My greed’s for land
Yeah!

Shut off my eyes, clog up my ears
Cut off my tongue you’ll still hear me coming
Shut off my eyes, clog up my ears
Cut off my tongue you’ll still hear me coming

My blood is thicker
My pain will rise
Ooh!

Boycott my ideas, fueled with hate, and I feel
Infiltrated with the lies that you’re feeding me
Boycott my ideas, fueled with hate, and I feel
Infiltrated with the lies that you’re feeding me

One man army
One man army
One man army
One man army
One man army
One man army

Our strength’s your weakness
Our truth’s your lies
Yeah!

Shut off my eyes, clog up my ears
Cut off my tongue you’ll still hear me coming
Shut off my eyes, clog up my ears
Cut off my tongue you’ll still hear me coming

Surrounded by mistrust
Trapped in your mind

All you hear is what you fear and
All you fear is what you don’t know
All you know is what you see
And what you see won’t last forever

One man army
One man army
One man army
One man army
One man army
One man army

Our truth will echo and echo forever
Our truth will echo and echo
Our truth will echo and echo forever
Tormenting you forever and ever

You’ll still hear me coming through to you
You’ll still hear me coming through to you
You’ll still hear me coming through to you
You’ll still hear me coming through to you

Boycott my ideas, fueled with hate, and I feel
Infiltrated with the lies that you’re feeding me
Boycott my ideas, fueled with hate, and I feel
Infiltrated with the lies that you’re feeding me

One man and I’m coming for you
One man and I’m coming for you
One man! (One man!)
One man! (One man!)
One man! (One man!)
One man! (One man!)
One man! (One man!)
One man! (One man!)
One man! (One man!)
One man!

–Sepultura, “One Man Army”–

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Dr. John R. Rice, False Doctrines Answered (SLP, 1970), pp. 421-426.

WesleyGospel, “Southern Baptist Professor Dr. Tom Schreiner Rejects Literal Hell Fire.” Click here to see Dr. Schreiner completely reject belief in literal hell fire and then say its just a symbolic metaphor. This sort of watered-down modernist theology has been at the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (SBTS) in Louisville, Kentucky since the 1950s, ruining the faith of young Southern Baptist pastors and missionaries (SBC); and is what led to the independent fundamental Baptist movement (IFB). I don’t currently have any evidence, but I suspect the same exact dynamic has happened since the 1950s in Pentecostalism: Assemblies of God Theological Seminary (AGTS) and Lee University (Church of God) have probably also been impacted by unbelieving modernist theology and still haven’t recovered from it; and so the true faith of non-hypocrite Bible believing preachers seems to have found its way into IFB churches on the Calvinist side (like Highland Park Baptist Church with Dr. Lee Roberson as pastor); and into small independent holiness-Pentecostal churches on the Wesleyan side (like Times Square Church with David Wilkerson as pastor). But HARD BIBLE PREACHING AGAINST SIN was only kept up by Wilkerson at TSC. Dr. Roberson was apparently somewhat of a softy about separation from the world–which is why David Cloud believes his ministry fell apart after he was gone.

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“The Eternal Blessedness of the Pious Dead,” The Bible Christian (London, 1878).