The worship of creation Seeming endless But it will end And every knee shall bow
Thoughts of a coincidental existence And a futureless world corrodes into the Spinal cord of the narcissistic man A paradigm shift for worse My ego is my god Given authority by the Enlightenment Of science The Enlightenment of the age of freedom Freedom – the name in which we legalize all The name in which we tolerate all
Credibility for truth, image for substance Weakness and failure Unbearable elements in life Subtly opposed through an endless flow of Constantly replaced trends, neither allowed To mature nor to fade
The surroundings A mirror reflecting the signals Of admiration that makes my identity A constant egocentricity providing a Purging of anything threatening popularity
The peak of this shallowness Displayed by the so-called stars In their quest for self-actualization This beautiful people experiencing The illusion of narcissistic prosperity Uncritically and boundlessly admired Simply for their own sake
–Extol, “Paradigms”–
Frank Salisbury’s The Revd John Wesley As an Old Man (1932).
When we say Arminian, we are basically referring to Wesleyanism. Any denominational or theological tradition that proceeds from John Wesley and the Methodist Episcopal Church. James Arminius didn’t establish a denomination, but Wesley, mediating Arminius through his Anglican theology, is what has given us today the concept that we have come to know and love as Arminianism. The “holiness” denominations such as the Free Methodists, the Bible Methodists, the Salvation Army, the Wesleyan Church, A. W. Tozer’s Christian and Missionary Alliance, and the Church of the Nazarene are all Arminian because they are Wesleyan–the Nazarene church in Britain got its start by a handful of evangelists called the Trekkers, one of whom was Leonard Ravenhill; and every classical Pentecostal denomination from David Wilkerson’s Assemblies of God to Church of God (Cleveland) to Foursquare, is Arminian because of their Wesleyan soteriology. We would not say that the United Methodist Church is Arminian anymore, because they are not Bible believers, at least since they fully liberalized with gay marriage in 2024. The Global Methodist Church has taken their place as Arminian Bible believers. The Free Will Baptist Church is another Arminian denomination.
The primary concern in this debate is about “once saved, always saved” versus the loss of salvation. “Is salvation my job or God’s job?” is usually how the question is put. The Calvinist, Presbyterian, and Reformed Baptist person will say, “Easy, it’s God’s job,” but this doesn’t satisfy the Arminian because of all the personal commands to persevere that exist in the New Testament. Calvinism seems to make Scripture mock the wills of Christians by urging them to maintain a holy life, because it teaches that God foresees that they will be saved at the end of their lives.
The Wesleyan Arminian answer is not, “Salvation is man’s job,” but rather, “Salvation is both God’s job and it’s man’s job, but it’s mainly God’s job.” Human will exists, there’s no denying this. The Wesleyan frames his Arminian view of perseverance around a hand-in-Hand cooperation with God through faith in the blood and obedience to the Bible. God is strong enough to hold the “hand” of our wills by his Spirit, but our wills are also free to resist him just like the Pharisees did (John 10:28; Acts 7:51). And so, this view of cooperation with God, which is also taught in the Catholic Church, has been called synergism. True Arminian theology never turns into the Pelagianism that was occasionally expressed by Charles Finney: the humanistic view that man is working all by himself, living holy all by himself, without divine assistance. –J.B.
A friend gave me a copy of the DVD set Amazing Grace: The History and Theology of Calvinism (2004), in order that I might be better educated about various Calvinistic perspectives. Being a Wesleyan-Arminian who has consistently come up against modernantinomian Calvinists, I admittedly have developed a prejudice against all Calvinists, that only by the grace of God, I will hope to be progressively delivered. My experience with some Calvinistic Baptists has almost always been negative, using “once saved, always saved” as an excuse to live in total sin and carnality all the days of their lives. But then again, there are the Paul Washers, and people like this who believe in lordship salvation, and Calvinistic, Puritan holiness. Which is something I’ve caught wind of, but have never really experienced very much of in my life. It was for this reason that my friend gave me this DVD, to balance me out a little bit, so I won’t think that all Calvinists are just demon possessed.
DISC 1: CALVINISM vs. ARMINIANISM
“Calvin’s teaching is the true teaching of Christ, Paul,…Calvin’s theology is the true exposition of Scripture” (1:07:37), declares Dr. Kenneth G. Talbot. This quote sets the tone for Disc 1. It is to prove that Calvinism is the true view of salvation; and that Arminianism is a false doctrine, a heresy, that was so out of line with the Protestant Reformers to be considered “out of Hell the Pelagian error” (2:39:26). George Whitefield is quoted as saying, “The Arminian gospel is no gospel at all.” The attack on Arminian soteriology is long, thorough, and takes hours. This is seen as a fundamental necessity for preaching Calvinism. Calvinism is the true Biblical understanding of salvation, the DVD argues, and so it stands to reason, Arminianism must be a heretical doctrine. The motive for all of this is THE GLORY OF GOD. The Calvinistic system argues that Arminianism, with its emphasis on man’s responsibility to live holy and keep his faith alive, is actually a religion of works-righteousness, self-righteousness, and nothing more than Pelagianism. Arminianism is a religion of PRIDE. Calvinism is a religion of HUMILITY.
Who is defining these words?
They seem to change throughout the DVD.
I will give my definitions. Then I would relay the reader to look up theology dictionaries, multiple times, just to confirm the words’ definitions are not changed or altered throughout the discussion.
Pelagianism – The belief that man has the will power of himself to live the Christian life, and perform all the moral commandments of God perfectly on his own strength.
Synergism – The belief that the Holy Spirit draws men to faith and obedience to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, influences them, broods over them, and helps them to choose the right way of the Christian life; yet that energy and power of God completely allows for fallen, dead, sinful wretched men, to resist the Holy Spirit, and reject the Gospel, if they so choose. Man’s ability to choose the Gospel now, and later, here a little, there a little, is always present, with the sovereign help, and influence of the Holy Spirit’s presence in their life. Man is totally responsible for his present relationship with God, because the Holy Spirit is always there reaching out His hand of divine help.
Monergism – The belief that men are dead in sin, and so, the only way they can live the Christian life, is if the Holy Spirit chooses to come into them; regenerate them, and give them power to be a Christian. The Christian does not have a free will, or any ability to choose good or evil; he is simply the regenerated, resurrected product of the Holy Spirit coming into him.
I noticed throughout the DVD, that Arminianism was not explained in Synergistic terms at all (or at least not for very long). It was explained in Pelagian terms almost exclusively; one time, the host mocks Arminians as if in a graceless, Spirit-less state, completely dead, trying to preach resurrection to a graceless, Spirit-less graveyard. But that is the PELAGIAN picture! Not the Synergist-Arminian picture! This message is all throughout the DVD: PELAGIANISM = ARMINIANISM. So, so wrong! [Not to mention, John Wesley is never mentioned in Disc 1; but in Disc 2 is called “the great Arminian evangelist!” (27:13).] Whenever the Arminian view was taught and explained, it was to show how prideful that religion must be, to claim that man’s repentance and man’s faith in the cross would give him reason to boast, in contradiction to Ephesians 2:9. But the godly Arminian does not pride himself for anything! For even the power of repentance and faith is a gift, that must be granted to him (2 Tim. 2:25); and on top of that I boast in nothing but the cross of Christ (Gal. 6:14), showing how much I trust in Jesus, and not myself!
I learned that there are different kinds of Calvinists and different kinds of Arminians. But this DVD lumps them into two camps. We have to remember that the wheat and tares have been sown together (Matt. 13:25). There are saved and unsaved Calvinists; and saved and unsaved Arminians. This should have affected the judgments of the DVD host. But it did not. An unsaved Calvinist will use his theology to justify carnality and not practice evangelism. An unsaved Arminian will use his theology to be a Pelagian, and puff himself up with his religious works and pride; and maybe even use the universal atonement viewpoint for justifying a belief in universalism! So, you can imagine the dynamics going on here. Saved and unsaved, confusion, and clarity, spreading throughout the Calvinist-Arminian debate. Wow! It just makes me want to stop arguing, and say, “Without holiness no one will see the Lord” (Heb. 12:14). In the end, that’s what’s going to pass the fiery test of God on Judgment Day; not any philosophical opinions about grace and free will.
Romans 9: the contested chapter on PREDESTINATION AND ELECTION. The DVD makes God out to show favoritism, saying, “Nowhere is man even given a scintilla of responsibility for his election” (1:48:46). I disagree: “My brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall” (2 Pet. 1:10). It would be utter nonsense for Peter to be commanding the Christian brothers to make their election sure, if as the DVD argues, man has no “responsibility for his election”! Dr. R. C. Sproul argues that Romans 9:14 anticipates an objection to Calvinistic election: “What then shall we say? Is God unjust? Not at all!” But this quote doesn’t mean Paul was anticipating an objection to Calvinism, as if it were Biblical. John Wesley–the Arminian preacher–said in his Notes Upon the New Testament, that God has fixed terms of repentance and faith for men to be saved. If they use the grace that God has given them, with the power of the Holy Spirit, and repent and believe, like they are told to, then God will “have mercy on whom He will have mercy”! (Rom. 9:15). Namely, on those who accept the New Covenant by repentance and faith! A pagan moralist may think this is unjust for “those who have never heard the Gospel,” but who are they to question the mysterious wisdom of God? What if all men are given a chance? But so many resist the workings of conscience, and so, never reach the point of hearing the Gospel: which is the voice of Conscience itself. And what pride can there be in this?: In pleading for the sheer grace and mercy of God to save our wretched Arminian souls?!
MORAL GOVERNMENT / MORAL INFLUENCE THEORY is the doctrine that Jesus died on the cross to suffer as a moral example for Christians to follow; but not as a sacrifice for our sins. This is portrayed as “the Arminian view” of the CROSS! (2:31:01). There are some Arminian liberals who probably believe this; but this was certainly not the classic Methodist or Wesleyan-Arminian view (or anything you will find in books by Schmul Publishing or Francis Asbury Press). Wesley saw the cross the same way that Calvinist Puritans do: PENAL SUBSTITUTION: SATISFACTION OF THE WRATH OF GOD (see Kenneth Collins’ The Scripture Way of Salvation: The Heart of John Wesley’s Theology, pp. 84-86). This is why Wesley said, “I think on justification just as I have done any time these seven and twenty years; and just as Mr. Calvin does. In this respect, I do not differ from him an hair’s breadth” (Rev. John Wesley’s Journal, May 14, 1765).
PERSEVERANCE OF THE SAINTS or “Once Saved, Always Saved” in Calvinism is the belief that it is impossible for a truly saved Christian to lose his faith, holiness, and salvation. The warning passages in Hebrews are usually interpreted as a warning of God’s discipline in this life; but certainly not a warning to saved Christians about going to Hell in the afterlife. The Arminians feel this is a hazardous doctrine that encourages passivity; and discourages holiness. But the REFORMED CALVINIST (Lordship Salvation) replies: “Ah, ah. Not all Calvinists believe in the license to sin. We know that Zane Hodges’ Absolutely Free! is an antinomian heresy. But the Whitefields, Edwardses, Spurgeons, and Bunyans all required holiness of Calvinists, or they were never saved in the first place.” John Gill is quoted in his commentary for teaching that Jesus died for our past, present, and future sins. So, don’t worry, you’re secure in Christ. But remember now, says Wesley and the Arminians: “We are to have ‘faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past’” (Rom. 3:25, KJV). SINS THAT ARE PRESENT? SINS FUTURE? The Bible seems to remain silent about the remission of sins that are present and future, but the Calvinist preachers will not remain so silent. To me, as an Arminian, the only remedy for present sins, or potential future ones, is freshly repenting after I sin those sins, and confess those sins, and know then that God will forgive me when I repent, and maintain that clear conscience relationship with Him. To me, this is what it means to live “in holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life” (Luke 1:75, NKJV). And this is not a cross-less, or blood-less repentance either: every time I repent, and confess sin, I am also looking again to the cross for atonement from a fresh wrath of God at a freshly committed sin–however, God is still my Father.
DISC 2: CALVINIST EVANGELISM
I liked this disc a lot better. Although preaching the Gospel seems to be logically contradictory to the doctrine of Calvinist predestination–they reply, “It does not matter. Christ commands the Great Commission. We don’t know who the elect will be; only God knows. It remains our responsibility to go into all the world and preach the Gospel to every creature (Mark 16:15).” (02:18). Arminian evangelism is again construed through pride: “If we don’t preach the Gospel, who will? God must need us!” (04:10). On the contrary, Christ as an apparition appeared to Paul on the road to Damascus (Acts 9:3). God doesn’t need human missionaries; He just commands them; and it should be our pleasure to obey. George Whitefield and William Carey are referred to as Calvinistic missionaries; so, it proves that Calvinists don’t have to be unevangelistic and stuck in their church buildings. It has been done before! Finally: preach the law, the cross, and “repent and believe!,” and be ready to use apologetics to defend the faith.
Time has arrived, we see all the signs Revolution now is the time Revelation soon to arise Tribulation means it’s the time Send out the soldiers Their shield is their souls Revolution coming unfold Revelation coming untold The prophet born to the world
Life, I know our life goes way out beyond I leave you fire to carry on Salvation coming to those With the Most High in their souls
Here comes the prophet (time has arrived) The prophet (revolution/revelation) Here comes the prophet (time has arrived)
Rise above and beyond the sky You know that we got to fight The struggle to survive This is my life
Um, dois, treis, qua
The prophet – mais forte do que a morte (stronger than death) The prophet – stronger than it all The prophet
–Soulfly, “The Prophet”–
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It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. –Mark 10:25 (KJV)–
19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in Heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also. –Matthew 6:19-21 (KJV)– 5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry: 6 for which things’ sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience. –Colossians 3:5-6 (KJV)–
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. –James 2:19 (KJV)–
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. –Acts 2:38 (KJV)–
Hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. –Isaiah 5:14 (KJV)–
I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me. –Jesus in John 14:6 (KJV)–
Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under Heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. –Acts 4:12 (KJV)–
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. –2 Timothy 3:16-17 (KJV)–
The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the Word of our God shall stand for ever. –Isaiah 40:8 (KJV)–
Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God. –Romans 10:17 (KJV)–
Beatus of Liébana, Commentaria in Apocalypsin (the ‘Beatus of Saint-Sever’), Saint-Sever before 1072 (BnF, Latin 8878, fol. 184v).
Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. –Leviticus 19:17 (NIV)–
15 “If your brother or sister sins, go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector. 18 “Truly I tell you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. 19 “Again, truly I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything they ask for, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20 For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.” –Matthew 18:15-20 (NIV)–
Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live. –Exodus 22:18 (KJV)–
6 When there is a prophet among you,I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams. 7 But this is not true of my servant Moses; he is faithful in all my house. 8 With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles; he sees the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against my servant Moses? –Numbers 12:6-8 (NIV)–
It shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams. –Acts 2:17 (KJV)–
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort…24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: 25 And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. –1 Corinthians 14:3, 24-25 (KJV)–
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