Two Big Unanswered Questions About Charismatics That Dampen the Christian Faith

I am coming more under the impression that the reason why cessationists stay that way is not just because they have a comfort zone but because, they have unanswered questions about the sufficiency of Scripture and divine healing, which prevent them from becoming Bible totin’ charismatics.

I’m certainly no apologist, but probably the best thing I can recommend to anybody is to get the audio book of Dr. Jack Deere’s Why I Am Still Surprised by the Power of the Spirit. That would answer most of the questions from any Reformed or Baptist person about the charismatic view on the sufficiency of Scripture and divine healing. It seems that these two things are really the issue: the main concerns or unanswered questions that cessationists have, questions that are put in so many different ways, that it can be kind of dizzying as to why they don’t just become Bible thumping charismatics like me. But maybe if we could just break the questions down into two major categories, the questions about the sufficiency of Scripture and divine healing, then we can finally get to encouraging cessationists to become Bible-centered, Christ-centered, Gospel preaching charismatics, into Spirit-filled Pentecostals, so that the full range of the gifts of the Spirit are able to flow in that person’s life. There are other very comprehensive charismatic anthology books that have been put together by charismatic theologians and Bible scholars. The first is The Kingdom and the Power edited by Gary Greig and the other is Strangers to Fire edited by Robert Graves. I haven’t read either of these books, only glanced at them a couple of times. But these would probably be really good at answering charismatic intellectual questions. The Gift of Prophecy by Dr. Wayne Grudem would also be helpful. That one’s published by Crossway.

1. THE SUFFICIENCY OF SCRIPTURE FOR SALVATION. The first issue is the sufficiency of Scripture. The cessationist view of the Bible came from the Westminster Confession ch. 1, in which the Puritan theologians put together a statement of faith about Scripture, and gave it a cessationist interpretation. This happened in 1646. Samuel Rutherford was there at the Westminster Assembly when they were doing this, but he disagreed because he was a charismatic Covenanter from Scotland. The next year he published his careful charismatic views, and his anti-NAR position, in A Survey of the Spiritual Antichrist. There were many New Apostolic Reformation types in the 1600s: and he called them all out. This book was like a combo of the biblical charismatic Jack Deere and the anti-NAR Holly Pivec. Unlike the Westminster Confession, most of the Reformed confessions only spoke of Scripture as being sufficient for salvation. In other words, the Bible has everything necessary for salvation within it, in order to teach us about repentance and faith in the cross and salvation from Hell. That’s how statements on Scripture were formulated in the articles of the confessions of the 1500s. They basically all agreed in saying that Scripture is sufficient, or all that is necessary to teach about salvation, or the Gospel. In other words, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is sufficiently explained in the Bible, and we don’t need to go outside of Scripture to understand what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is. It’s all right there in the Bible and especially Romans. So there’s no need for apocryphal, gnostic books, or anything like that. The Bible contains a sufficient amount of writings for how to be saved from Hell. The Bible, the New Testament is plenty full of soul saving Gospel truth. It’s sufficient for salvation. It’s plenty good enough to tell us what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is in order to get people’s souls saved from Hell. How many times can I say it!

And so that’s how the reformers in the 1500s, usually expressed their faith in Scripture in the creeds and confessions of the past, in the statements of faith in the past…the Bible was viewed as containing everything necessary or sufficient for salvation. There was no anti-charismatic cessationism thrown into it. But when the Westminster Confession came around in 1646, and the Scripture statement was copy-and-pasted into the 1689 Baptist Confession…a cessationist view of Scripture is what you got. Cessationism really came in through English Puritanism in the 1600s. Protestants were much more open to charismatic experiences in the 1500s. But with these two confessions, the statements on Scripture were framed in such a way that cessationism, or English deism, came out as a result in the way it was articulated. The whole concern was to keep Puritan families from being deceived by the Quakers, Ranters, and Familists…some of whom were so New Age and so much like Burning Man, that they danced nude in a circle holding hands! They were pseudo-spiritual perverts and clergy sexual abusers. Demonic dreams had misguided them into sexual sin. Cessationism was a safeguard against these charismatic nudists and others with weird and blatantly heretical beliefs. The Quakers were a charismatic church that had exalted spiritual experiences above the Bible. And so the Puritans were reacting to that and basically saying, “Just to be safe, so that people won’t be deceived by the malice of Satan, why don’t we say that all dreams and visions have passed away, and that everything God wants to say to his people, has all been compacted into the Bible.” But the Word of God itself doesn’t say that! It says in Acts 2:17 that baptisms in the Holy Spirit, dreams, visions, and prophecies are supposed to continue all the way up until the last days. Hebrews 1:1-2 says that true faith in Jesus Christ is of the same spirit and power as that of the Old Testament prophets. Such prophetic utterances will continue through faith in the Son of God. But the Puritans forced us into an either/or choice between prophetic modes of speech versus faith in the red letters of Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John! “Listen, if miracles finished with the New Testament, prayer finished!” Leonard Ravenhill said. “You show me where God the Holy Ghost abrogated giving gifts unto men? You can’t show me. A professor told you. Who told him? Not God, the devil told him. It’s an amazing thing, you can be in a church and commit adultery, you shouldn’t do but if you do that or some other thing, they’ll let you stay as a pastor. You get filled with the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues, they’ll kick you out” (Revival Forum ’89).

2. DIVINE HEALING. When speaking about prayer in James 4:2, among his many thoughts, one of the things he says is, “You do not have because you do not ask,” and then in the next chapter over, when speaking about praying for divine healing and even nature miracles, he says, “Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms. Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit” (James 5:13-18, NKJV). The brother of Jesus Christ wrote all of that; and he’s not talking about Jesus doing miracles because he was the Son of God, like cessationists often do, to try and make miracles look like an unattainable feat for all of us. James is talking about everyday Christians like you and me, getting sick, going to church, and asking for the pastoral staff to lay hands on you and pray for your divine healing, and maybe even for that hurricane, tornado, or thunderstorm to stop. Jesus believed the apostles could’ve done it, that’s why he said they had little faith when he rebuked the storm (Mark 4:39-41). Try it out next time a storm happens! I mean, what would it hurt to raise your hands and command, pray, or ask the thunderstorm to stop twenty five times or so in Jesus’ name? Nobody’s looking! Why don’t you just go ahead and do it. And if the prayers are answered, journal it down! You’ll grow because of it. I would advise you to stop listening to the “idle babblings” of the G3 cessationist philosophers (2 Tim. 2:16), who are not real theologians, only philosophers, with their man-made miracle time periods that they have superimposed into the Bible. Ignore these faithless men! Feel sorry for them and go on in your faith with Jesus. WWJD! What would Jesus do? If he were here, be honest, he’d probably tell you, “Hey! Be brave! It’s me. Don’t be afraid. Come out here on the water with me!” (see Matthew 14:27-29).

What about modern examples? Honestly, do you really want me to go there? You know what would happen if I did. They would just get shot down by Justin Peters. Because every guy who tries to pray for miracles is just a charlatan who kicks grandmas in the face with his biker boot, right? Or seriously reveres a vision of Jesus playing a saxophone, and then goes to talk about this great experience on Sid Roth’s It’s Supernatural! Why not refer to miracle experiences from the lives of saints who’ve built up a strong reputation over the centuries? Read Thomas Boys’ The Suppressed Evidence, p. 202, about the time when Martin Luther laid his hands on a fatally sick Philip Melanchthon and saved his life by divine healing, or The Supernatural Occurrences of John Wesley, ch. 3 for early Methodist journal entries about divine healing; or try reading about the case of insanity that was healed in The Supernatural Occurrences of Charles G. Finney, p. 61. Let’s not forget about all the healings that Augustine said happened in his own church, long after he’d written about being a cessationist (see The City of God 22.8-10). I’d think that even the most deistic, naturalistic reductionist, in the habit of process-of-elimination miracle rejection, with plenty of entertaining charlatan exposé type videos, might have a harder time brushing away those time-tested miracle testimonies from these men of God. And I think that God should get the glory for the mighty acts that he has performed on behalf of Christians in the past.

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Occult Influences In the Lives of Certain Musicians – Joe Schimmel

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Refuting False Teachings About Hell – Bill Wiese

STRONG.
–J.B.–

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The Three Kinds of Lost People – Wade Clemons

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Let God Arise And Let His Enemies Be Scattered

Let God arise, let his enemies be scattered:
let them also that hate him flee before him.

–Psalm 68:1 (KJV)–

The righteous are those that love God and his ways enough to want to live by them; although they are not sinlessly perfect, they desire holiness, and strive for it with the grace of God helping them. They are opposed by enemies on all sides–agnostics, mainline liberals, evolutionists, homosexual sympathizers, abortionists, cheap grace dispensationalists, and cessationists who deny the work of the Holy Spirit. God will arise and set the righteous in families and overcome their enemies for them, if they will only trust God to do what they can’t do for themselves. Truth and godliness often blend together when we’re chasing and pursuing God himself instead of just trying to be qualified and licensed with denominations. The bibliography below should show you that I am not a confused man! That Sword of the Lord stuff is from an Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) point of view on social and ethical issues. Deere and Grudem are mainly speaking from a ’90s Vineyard point of view, like John Wimber, on the subject of miraculous gifts. Most IFB pastors would NEVER step a foot in a Vineyard church; and probably vice versa. But I have! Because I care about the cause of God and truth!

–J.B.–



Jeff Farnham, The Octopus of Humanism (Sword of the Lord, 2009).

Dr. Shelton Smith, Liberal Choices: Losing Causes (Sword of the Lord, 2000).

Dr. John R. Rice, Evolution or the Bible–Which? (Sword of the Lord, 1963).

—. The Murder of the Helpless Unborn…Abortion (Sword of the Lord, 1971).

Dr. Hugh Pyle, The Truth About the Homosexuals (Sword of the Lord, 1978).

Dr. Harald Lindstrom, Wesley and Sanctification (Zondervan, 1984).

Dr. Jack Deere, Why I Am Still Surprised by the Power of the Spirit (Zondervan, 2020).

Dr. Wayne Grudem, The Gift of Prophecy (Crossway, 2000), “Sufficiency of Scripture.”

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How to Interpret “Do Not Be Overly Righteous” (Eccl. 7:16) – Tim Conway

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Salvation By Knowing the Truth – Charles Spurgeon

Where do you stand
What is your statement
What is it you’re trying to say

What’s in your hand
What’s in your basement
What’s in the cards you don’t play

Are you holding the key
Or are you intending
To pick the lock of heaven’s gate

It’s confusing to me
The message you’re sending
And I don’t know if I can relate

What’s your line
Tell me why you wear your cross of gold
State of mind
Or does it find a way into your soul

Is it a flame
Is it a passion
A symbol of love living in you
(Living in you)

Or is it a game
Religion in fashion
Some kind of phase you’re going through

We all travel the extremes
From cellar to rafter
Looking for a place in the sun

So I’m trying to see
What you’re headed after
But I don’t know where you’re coming from

Whoa, oh, what’s your line
Tell me why you wear your cross of gold
State of mind
Or does it find a way into your soul

What’s your line
Tell me why you wear your cross of gold

For some it’s simply something
To wear around your neck
Just a chain, jewelry
It’s a decoration, it’s an icon, a proclamation
An icon of what
For some it’s simply something
To wear around your neck, just a chain
It means a lot more than that to me

What’s your line
Tell me why you wear your cross of gold
State of mind
Or does it find a way into your soul

What’s your line
Tell me why you wear your cross of gold
State of mind
Or does it find a way into your soul

Wanna tell me why, please tell me why
You wear your cross of gold

–Michael W. Smith, “Cross of Gold”–



We’re content to pitch our tent when the glory’s evident
Seldom do we know the glory came and went
Moving can seem dangerous in this stranger’s pilgrimage
Knowing that you can’t stand still, you cross the bridge

There’s a higher place to go
Beyond belief, beyond belief
Where we reach the next plateau
Beyond belief, beyond belief

And from faith to faith we grow
Towards the center of the flow
Where He beckons us to go
Beyond belief, beyond belief
Whoa!

Leap of faith without a net makes us want to hedge our bet
Water’s never part until our feet get wet, oh-oh
There’s a deeper place to go where the road seems hard to hoe
He who has begun this work won’t let it go (let it go)

There’s a higher place to go
Beyond belief, beyond belief
Where we reach the next plateau
Beyond belief, beyond belief
And from faith to faith we grow (oh-oh, oh-oh)
Towards the center of the flow
Where he beckons us to go
Beyond belief, beyond belief

And it takes so long to see the change
But we look around and it seems so strange
We have come so far, but the journey’s long
And we once were weak, but now we’re strong

There’s a higher place to go
Beyond belief, beyond belief
Where we reach the next plateau
Beyond belief, beyond belief
And from faith to faith we grow
Towards the center of the flow
Where He beckons us to go
Beyond belief, beyond belief

Oh, ooh-oh, ooh-oh, ooh-oh (oh, oh-oh-oh, oh, oh-oh-oh)
Ooh (oh-oh)

Beyond belief
There’s a higher place to go (ooh)
Beyond belief, beyond belief
Where we reach the next plateau (ooh-ooh-ooh)
Beyond belief, beyond belief

Ooh (oh, oh-oh-oh, oh, oh-oh-oh)
(Oh, oh-oh-oh, oh, oh-oh-oh)

Beyond belief
(Ooh-ooh-ooh)
Beyond belief, beyond belief

–Petra, “Beyond Belief”–



Oh won’t you come with me
To a hill called Calvary
See the face of a bruised and dying man
Can anyone explain
The mystery beyond the pain of this place
Where love is born again

Once and for all
He gave His life
He bled and died
The sacrifice for all
Who will take His name?
Once and for all

Oh won’t you come and see
The tide of all humanity, every race
They come on bended knee
We cannot close the door
That isn’t why He fought
The war of this place
Everyone can be free

Once and for all
Well, He gave His life
He bled and died
The sacrifice for all
Who will take His name?

Once and for all
Open wide the doors
There’s room for more
Tell all the world
That a heart can soar
When you call upon His holy name

Once and for all
There is freedom
Once and for all
There is healing
Love sealed it
Once and for all

Who will take His name?
Once and for all
Call upon His name

It goes on and on
Out to everyone
Who will call upon His name?
On the tide will turn
For all those who yearn
For a heart that burns
With His flame
Once and for all

–White Heart, “Once And For All”–

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Perfected By the Blood – Arik Hayes

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The Grace Miles of the Law and Gospel

Let Your house be filled with Your glory Lord
(Let Your house be filled with Your glory Lord)
Let Your house be filled with Your praises Lord
(Let Your house be filled with Your praises Lord)

Let the redeemed of the Lord
Give You glory
And let the redeemed of the Lord
Sing Your praises
Let the redeemed of the Lord
Fall and worship You
Evermore (Evermore)
Evermore (Evermore)

–Vineyard Music, “Let the Redeemed”–



The earth is the Lord’s
And everything that’s in it
And all of His people
All there be unto Him

He raised the land
Above the waters of the sea
And laid a strong foundation
In the ocean deep
The earth is the Lord’s

Who shall ascend the hill of the Lord?
Who shall stand in His holy place?
The righteous will worship in His holy presence
And taste of His goodness and receive deliverance


These are the people that the Lord will bless
These are the ones who love His righteousness
The earth is the Lord’s

Open wide the gates
Open wide the ancient doors
And the King of Glory
The King will enter in

Who is this King of Glory?
The Lord strong and mighty
He is the Lord
Triumphant Lord

–The Maranatha! Singers, “Psalm 24 (The Earth Is the Lord’s)”–



I, the Lord of sea and sky
I have heard my people cry
All who dwell in dark and sin
My hand will save
I have made the stars of night
I will make their darkness bright
Who will bear my light to them?
Whom shall I send?

Here I am, Lord
Is it I, Lord?
I have heard You calling in the night
I will go, Lord
If You lead me
I will hold Your people in my heart

I, the Lord of wind and flame
I will tend the poor and lame
I will set a feast for them
My hand will save
Finest bread I will provide
‘Til their hearts be satisfied
I will give my life to them
Whom shall I send?

Here I am, Lord
Is it I, Lord?
I have heard You calling in the night
I will go, Lord
If You lead me
I will hold Your people in my heart

–John Michael Talbot, “Here I Am, Lord”–



The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul:
the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

–Psalm 19:7 (KJV)–


Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a New Covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah…I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people.
–Hebrews 8:8, 10 (KJV)–

The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world.
–Titus 2:11-12 (KJV)–

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, 
Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

–John 1:29 (KJV)–

We are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all…after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God.
–Hebrews 10:10, 12 (KJV)–


The church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
–Acts 20:28 (KJV)–


Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past…being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
–Romans 3:25; 5:9 (KJV)–


We have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
according to the riches of his grace.
–Ephesians 1:7 (KJV)–


In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins…And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
–Colossians 1:14, 20 (KJV)–


Almost all things are by the law purged with blood;
and without shedding of blood is no remission.
–Hebrews 9:22 (KJV)–

Through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ…Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you…ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; but with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot.
–1 Peter 1:2, 9, 10, 18, 19 (KJV)–

If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin…If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
–1 John 1:7, 9 (KJV)–

Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
–Revelation 1:5 (KJV)–



Oswald Chambers, My Utmost for His Highest (BGEA, 1992).

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STD Prevention Shots for Little Kids

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