Conditional Security: What the Bible Says About It

Consumed with memories that preceded today
Given a chance to bereave life that’s slipping away
Suffered through tragedy of my slow decay
Deceptive tendencies dragged my soul away

All that I know, there was no God for me
Force that shatters all, absence of mortality

Revive all my fears
Revive wasted tears
Revive void within
Revive once again

Forsaken by destiny, forsaken by my own mind
I must remove my skin to see belief in your eyes
All that I know, there was no God for me
Force that shatters all, absence of humanity

Revive all my fears
Revive wasted tears
Revive void within
Revive once again

Reach for the sky
Touch the sky
Revive a hope
For mankind

–Fear Factory, “Resurrection”–

The Spirit of the Lord had departed from Saul,
and an evil spirit from the Lord tormented him.
–1 Samuel 16:14 (NIV)–

She called, “Samson, the Philistines are upon you!”
He awoke from his sleep and thought,
“I’ll go out as before and shake myself free.”
But he did not know that the Lord had left him.
–Judges 16:20 (NIV)–

You always resist the Holy Spirit!
–Acts 7:51 (NIV)–

Cast me not away from thy presence;
and take not thy Holy Spirit from me.

–Psalm 51:11 (KJV)–

How shall we escape,
if we neglect so great salvation?
–Hebrews 2:3 (KJV)–

19 Holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan 
to be taught not to blaspheme.
–1 Timothy 1:19-20 (NIV)–


20 If they have escaped the corruption of the world by knowing our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and are again entangled in it and are overcome, they are worse off at the end than they were at the beginning. 21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than to have known it and then to turn their backs on the sacred command that was passed on to them. 22 Of them the proverbs are true: “A dog returns to its vomit,” and, “A sow that is washed returns to her wallowing in the mud.”
–2 Peter 2:20-22 (NIV)–

It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have tasted the goodness of the Word of God and the powers of the coming age and who have fallen away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
–Hebrews 6:4-6 (NIV)–

26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
–Hebrews 10:26-29 (NIV)–

John Wesley, Serious Thoughts Upon the Perseverance of the Saints. Using the Bible, he maintains the view that true converts can lose the regenerating work of the Holy Spirit; and hence lose the saving, justifying, and sanctifying grace of the Spirit, by willingly consenting to temptation and consciously reversing repentance, rejecting the substitutionary atonement that they trusted in before–the most important aspect of apostasy, and by rebelling against God after previously walking with him (Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-29; 2 Peter 2:20-22; 1 Timothy 1:19). The true converts previously had a holy faith walk with God, a saving relationship with God, previously; but have now consciously walked away from Christianity completely, becoming apostates–these are not tempted, overcome, addicted, or backslidden but still fighting believers–but ex-evangelicals that are into complete and 100% total rejection of the born again lifestyle and faith they had before; and are now slidden so deep into atheism, agnosticism, or some false religion, that their hearts have become reprobate, hardened, blinded, past feeling, and unrepentant. “Prone to wander, Lord, I feel it, prone to leave the God I love,” as “Come Thou Fount” says. This is not the straw man argument view of being “Saved one minute, lost the next. Saved again, lost again,” as is often misunderstood by anxious people not properly taught the Wesleyan view of apostasy. It is seen as more of a total reversal of trust in God and a lifestyle that now has a permanently abiding nature of unbelief about it, often entered into by becoming close friends with non-Christians. The saving work of the Holy Spirit is not viewed as irresistible; a person can always resist the Spirit’s saving influence (Acts 7:51).

This is why the witness of the Spirit is so important in Wesleyan theology; because a genuine walk with God, will have experiences of God’s presence and voice to occasionally authenticate the reality of a true convert’s faith in the Gospel. It was in his sermon “The Witness of the Spirit, Part II,” where Wesley taught that Christians without experiences of the Holy Spirit, with no real faith confirming that they’re children of God (Rom. 8:16), are not true converts, but are simply deists who might have very well accepted a whole lot of Bible teachings in their heads. To Wesley, a true convert has a heart-faith in the Gospel strong enough to produce experiences of the Holy Spirit, which provide him with assurance of salvation. This is understood as the “strongest proof of Christianity,” a much stronger assurance than any Calvinistic arguments about a Father’s hand holding a sheep with a spiritual vice grip. Wesley: “This is farther explained by the parallel text, (Gal. 4:6,) “Because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying Abba, Father.” Is not this something immediate and direct, not the result of reflection or argumentation? Does not his Spirit cry, “Abba, Father,” in our hearts the moment it is given, antecedently to any reflection upon our sincerity; yea, to any reasoning whatsoever? And is not this the plain natural sense of the words, which strikes any one as soon as he hears them? All these texts then, in their most obvious meaning, describe a direct testimony of the Spirit” (“The Witness of the Spirit, II” 3.4).

Adam Clarke, Christian Theology, ch. 30: “Apostacy.” Wesley’s theological successor. Clarke: “You have many enemies; be continually on your guard; be always circumspect: 1. Be watchful against evil. 2. Watch for opportunities to do good. 3. Watch over each other in love. 4. Watch that none may draw you aside from the belief and unity of the Gospel. He that is self-confident is already half fallen. He who professes to believe that God will absolutely keep him from falling finally, and neglects watching unto prayer, is not in a safer state. He who lives by the moment, walks in the light, and maintains his communion with God, is in no danger of apostacy…The apostle shows here five degrees of apostacy: 1. Consenting to sin; being deceived by its solicitations. 2. Hardness of heart through giving way to sin. 3. Unbelief in consequence of this hardness, which leads them to call even the truth of the Gospel in question. 4. This unbelief causing them to speak evil of the Gospel, and the provision God has made for the salvation of their souls. 5. Apostacy itself, or falling off from the living God, and thus extinguishing all the light that was in them, and finally grieving the Spirit of God, so that he takes his flight, and leaves them to a seared conscience and reprobate mind. He who begins to give the least way to sin is in danger of final apostacy: the best remedy against this is, to get the evil heart removed; as one murderer in the house is more to be dreaded than ten without…How strange is it that there should be found any backslider! that one who once felt the power of Christ should ever turn aside! But it is still stranger that any one who has felt it, and given, in his life and conversation, full proof that he has felt it, should not only let it slip, but at last deny that he ever had it, and even ridicule a work of grace in the heart! 

Such instances have appeared among men…“But he that lacketh these things:” he, whether Jew or Gentile, who professes to have faith in God, and has not added to that faith, fortitude, knowledge, temperance, patience, godliness, brotherly kindness, and universal love, “is blind,” his understanding is darkened, and cannot see afar off, shutting his eyes against the light, winking, not able to look truth in the face, nor to behold that God whom he once knew was reconciled to him; and thus it appears he is wilfully blind, “and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins”—has at last, through the non-improvement of the grace which he received from God, his faith ceasing to work by love, lost the evidence of things not seen: for, having grieved the Holy Spirit by not showing forth the virtues of Him who called him into his marvellous light, he has lost the testimony of his sonship; and then darkness and hardness having taken the place of light and filial confidence, he first calls all his former experience into doubt;—questions whether he has not put enthusiasm in the place of religion. By these means his darkness and hardness increase, his memory becomes indistinct and confused, till at length he forgets the work of God on his soul, next denies it, and at last asserts that the knowledge of salvation by the remission of sins is impossible, and that no man can be saved from sin (addiction) in this life. Indeed, some go so far as to deny the Lord that bought them; to renounce Jesus Christ as having made atonement for them; and finish their career of apostacy by utterly denying his godhead. Many cases of this kind have I known; and they are all the consequence of believers not continuing to be workers together with God, after they had experienced his pardoning love…Here (2 Peter 2:22) is a sad proof of the possibility of falling from grace, and from very high degrees of it too. These had escaped from the contagion that was in the world; they had had true repentance, and cast up “their sour-sweet morsel of sin;” they had been washed from all their filthiness, and this must have been through the blood of the Lamb; yet, after all, they went back, got entangled with their old sins, swallowed down their formerly rejected lusts, and rewallowed in the mire of corruption. It is no wonder that God should say, “The latter end is worse with them than the beginning:” reason and nature say, “It must be so;” and divine justice says, “It ought to be so;” and the person himself must confess that it is right that it should be so. But how dreadful is this state! How dangerous, when the person has abandoned himself to his old sins!

Yet it is not said that it is impossible for him to return to his Maker; though his case be deplorable, it is not utterly hopeless; the leper may yet be made clean, and the dead may be raised. Reader, is thy backsliding a grief and burden to thee? Then thou art not far from the kingdom of God; believe on the Lord Jesus, and thou shalt be saved…The backslider’s soul, before influenced by the Spirit of God, dilated and expanded under its heavenly influences, becomes more capable of refinement in iniquity, as its powers are more capacious than formerly. Evil habits are formed and strengthened by relapses; and relapses are multiplied, and become more incurable, through new habits…A soul cut off from the flock of God is in an awful state! His outward defence is departed from him; and being no longer accountable to any for his conduct, he generally plunges into unprecedented depths of iniquity, and the last state of that man becomes worse than the first…In a state of probation every thing may change. While we are in life we may stand or fall. Our standing in the faith depends on our union with God; and that depends on our watching unto prayer, and continuing to possess that faith that worketh by love. The highest saint under heaven can stand no longer than he depends upon God, and continues in the obedience of faith. He that ceases to do so will fall into sin, and get a darkened understanding and a hardened heart; and he may continue in this state till God come to take away his soul. Therefore, let him who most assuredly standeth take heed lest he fall, not only partially, but finally.”

Charles Finney, “The Loss When a Soul Is Lost.” Using the Bible, he presents Wesley’s view in another way, a sermon based on Mark 8:36: “What shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” Finney: “This danger is exceedingly great, because men have only to neglect the soul and it is surely lost. It does not require attention and labor. You can lose your soul without the least possible effort made specially for this purpose. You need not go about to commit sin in order to ensure the ruin of your soul hopelessly and forever. You need only neglect its salvation and it is surely lost. You need only be as negligent as you have been heretofore. It is only necessary that you slide along in the same thoughtless, reckless manner as in your past days and the end will be “sudden destruction and that without remedy.” As says the apostle; —“How shall we escape if we neglect so great salvation?” There is none other name under heaven given among man whereby ye can be saved. And there is no salvation through this name but by a living faith which works by love and makes the heart pure from sin.”

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Sin, Sodom, and Sexual Ethics – Dial In Ministries

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Mike Bickle’s Sister In a Complete State of Denial About His Sexual Abuse – Mike Winger

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Safeguarding Prophetic Ministry In the Charismatic Churches – Minor Prophets

A lot of the crazy, irresponsible, positive confession, Word of Faith, prosperity gospel itinerant prophetic ministries are wreaking havoc in the charismatic churches, and causing people to go astray into agnosticism and cessationism. It’s because people don’t read and know the Bible nearly enough, don’t regard it as the supreme Word of God, and don’t use it to judge and evaluate the truthfulness of prophetic words. I’d say it’s also because charismatics have lost touch with the traditional Pentecostal theology taught by P. C. NELSON, ERNEST S. WILLIAMS, and MYER PEARLMAN. We’ve allowed Wayne Grudem to dominate our theology. The loss of classic Assembly of God theology, the loss of John Wesley’s and Charles Finney’s sermons, the almost complete loss of them in charismatic pastors’ libraries, I think is a huge factor in why there is also a loss of spiritual discernment with regard to prophecy. –J.B.

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The New Age Movement – Dr. Clarence Sexton

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The Second Coming – Philip Anthony Mitchell

STRONG PREACHING.
–J.B.–

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Sanctification and Christian Liberties

This gravity
Is feeling like a tether
I want to want to be
So high above the weather

All frequency around
Round, round, round, round
Without a sound

And there’s today
And there’s two spaces
And too many places
Not to go to, ooh

This big old sea
Is feeling like a pleasure
I look cautiously
At all the falling treasure

With some frequency it comes down
Down, down, down, down
Without a sound

And there’s today
And there’s two spaces
And too many places
Not to go to, ooh

–Frank Black, “Two Spaces”–

Be not conformed to this world:
but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good,
and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
–Romans 12:2 (KJV)–

Your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you.
–1 Corinthians 6:19 (KJV)–



John Wesley, “On Dress.”

—. “Letter to Mr. S. at Armagh.”

Dr. Hugh Pyle, The Truth About Rock Music (Sword of the Lord, 1985). Watch your mouth dude. For many Christians, out of the same mouth proceed blessing and cursing. But these things shouldn’t be so.

Dr. John R. Rice, What Is Wrong With the Movies? (Sword of the Lord, 1938). VidAngel, Clearplay, and TCM–the next best thing to completely smashing your TV.

—. The Double Curse of Booze (Sword of the Lord, 1960). Bud is not your buddy.

—. Tobacco: Is It’s Use Sin? (Sword of the Lord, 2000). Toss the pack a Marbs.

Elizabeth Rice Handford, Your Clothes Say It for You (Sword of the Lord, 2000). Don’t be a ho. What women need is the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.

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The Royal Prerogative – Charles Spurgeon

I come to You oh Lord
With a thankful heart
I sing my song of love
And praise for who You are

For You oh Lord are a great God
Glorious and strong
You oh Lord are a great God
I worship You alone

I bring to You oh Lord
A sacrifice of praise
And of Your wondrous works
I’ll sing for all my days

For You oh Lord are a great God
Glorious and strong
You oh Lord are a great God
I worship You alone


–Vineyard Music, “You Oh Lord Are A Great God”–


9:50 – At one point, it might seem that I am preaching against all evangelical exegesis done by biblical preachers. I’m not, but what I’m trying to say is that the cessationist worldview of many pastors, seems to reduce contextual biblical hermeneutics, down to a naturalistic procedure, in which a teaching is faithfully extracted from the historical background of the Bible, but there’s also along with this, simply a mentality of fact-learning rather than a mentality that the Holy Ghost is directly speaking into your life through the inspired Scriptures. This latter view was held by the reformers, the Puritans, Wesley, Spurgeon, Finney, etc. –J.B.

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The Bible Calls Dinosaurs “Dragons,” Simply a Type of Animal, Which Two by Two, Would’ve Been on Noah’s Ark – Dr. Jonathan Sarfati

Every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark,
to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
–Genesis 6:19 (KJV)–

Martha Taming the Tarasque
c. 1500
Jean Poyer



The word dragon is found in the King James Bible 34 times.

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Why Do Some Christians Not Have Any Spiritual Experiences?

The natural person DOES NOT ACCEPT the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
–1 Corinthians 2:14 (ESV)–

You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: YOU ALWAYS RESIST the Holy Spirit! Was there ever a prophet your ancestors did not persecute?
–Acts 7:51-52 (NIV)–

Today, if you will hear His voice,
DO NOT HARDEN your hearts as in the rebellion.

–Hebrews 3:15 (NKJV)–

The Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever.”
–Genesis 6:3 (NKJV)–

The Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him.
–Acts 5:32 (NIV)–

Follow the way of love and EAGERLY DESIRE GIFTS OF THE SPIRIT, especially prophecy. For anyone who speaks in a tongue does not speak to people but to God. Indeed, no one understands them; they utter mysteries by the Spirit. But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort.
–1 Corinthians 14:1-3 (NIV)–

In the last days, God says,
    I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
    your young men will see VISIONS,
    your old men will dream DREAMS.

–Acts 2:17 (NIV)–

He wrote down the substance of his dream.
–Daniel 7:1 (NIV)–

Write the vision
and make it plain on tablets.

–Habakkuk 2:2 (NKJV)–

Were not our hearts burning within us 
while he talked with us on the road and opened the Scriptures to us?

–Luke 24:32 (NIV)–

In the evening I went very unwillingly to a society in Aldersgate Street, where one was reading Luther’s preface to the Epistle to the Romans. About a quarter before nine, while he was describing the change which God works in the heart through faith in Christ, I FELT MY HEART STRANGELY WARMED. I felt I did trust in Christ, Christ alone, for salvation; and an assurance was given me that He had taken away my sins, even mine, and saved me from the law of sin and death.
–John Wesley–

Begin to tell the people
what you have felt in your own heart,
and beseech the Holy Spirit
to make your heart as hot as a furnace for zeal.

–Charles Spurgeon–



WesleyGospel, “Why Cessationists Don’t Hear the Voice of God.”

—. “Debunking Cessationism.”

Lee Strobel, Seeing the Supernatural (Zondervan, 2025).

Archibald Alexander, Thoughts on Religious Experience (Banner of Truth, 1996), ch. 7.

Dr. Jack Deere, Surprised by the Voice of God (Zondervan, 1996), chs. 16-19. Argues that cessationists don’t have charismatic experiences because of their unbelief and their stubborn pride of feeling they are right in their views (Acts 7:51); the same probably applies to most atheists, agnostics, and skeptics (Romans 1:18; 1 Corinthians 2:14). Avoid suicides with eternal security go to heaven (pp. 176-177).

—. Why I Am Still Surprised by the Power of the Spirit (Zondervan, 2020).

—. Why I Am Still Surprised by the Voice of God (Zondervan, 2022). Avoid cuss word book endorsed by God’s leading (pp. 225-227).

Dr. Craig Keener, Miracles, 2 vols (Baker, 2011).

—. Miracles Today (Baker, 2021).


Richard J. Foster, Streams of Living Water (HarperCollins, 1998).

Thomas Dubay, Fire Within (Ignatius Press, 1989). Avoid Mary, prayer to the dead, and Purgatory.

Augustin Poulain, The Graces of Interior Prayer (Kegan Paul, 1910). Avoid Mary, etc.

Ira Milligan, Understanding the Dreams You Dream (Treasure House, 1997).

Charles Finney, “The Self-Hardening Sinner’s Doom,” 1.3. Refers to belief in Hell dreams – adhered to by both Jonathan Edwards and Finney.

Daniel Jennings, The Supernatural Occurrences of John Wesley.

—. The Supernatural Occurrences of Charles G. Finney.

Jeff Doles, Miracles and Manifestations of the Holy Spirit In the History of the Church, ch. 7. John Knox and the Scottish Reformation preachers were all into dream interpretation and the gift of foretelling prophecy.

Thomas Boys, The Suppressed Evidence (Hamilton, Adams, and Co, 1832).

John Wimber, Power Evangelism (Harper & Row, 1986).

—. Power Healing (HarperCollins, 1987).

N. Clayton Croy, Prima Scriptura (Baker, 2011).

Dr. Charles Carter, ed. A Contemporary Wesleyan Theology, 2 vols (Zondervan, 1983).

Dr. Harald Lindstrom, Wesley and Sanctification (Zondervan, 1989).

Dr. Thomas C. Oden, Classic Christianity: A Systematic Theology (HarperCollins, 2009).

Dr. John R. Rice, Great Soul Winners Were Filled With the Holy Spirit (Sword, 1949).

Greig and Springer, eds. The Kingdom and the Power (Baker, 1997). 463 pages.

Robert Graves, ed. Strangers to Fire (Empowered Life, 2016). 592 pages.

E. S. Williams, Systematic Theology, vol. 3 (Gospel Publishing House, 1953), chs. 6-9.

P. C. Nelson, Bible Doctrines (Gospel Publishing House, 1948), ch. 8.

Harold Horton, The Gifts of the Spirit (Gospel Publishing House, 1934).

John Sherrill, They Speak With Other Tongues (Chosen Books, 2018).

A. W. Tozer, The Pursuit of God (Christian Publications, 1993).

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